1 00:00:15,589 --> 00:00:12,830 hey everybody welcome back to the 2 00:00:19,070 --> 00:00:15,599 Bigfoot collectors Club patreon feed we 3 00:00:21,140 --> 00:00:19,080 have a BCC bonus episode to go along 4 00:00:22,820 --> 00:00:21,150 with today's episode over on the main 5 00:00:25,490 --> 00:00:22,830 feed we have Ryan Sprague with us from 6 00:00:31,130 --> 00:00:25,500 somewhere in the skies podcast and I 7 00:00:33,170 --> 00:00:31,140 asked Ryan to bring in his top 5 UFO 8 00:00:36,170 --> 00:00:33,180 stories his favorite encounter stories 9 00:00:38,030 --> 00:00:36,180 and I got a sneak peek at this list and 10 00:00:39,860 --> 00:00:38,040 the cool thing is I don't think we've 11 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:39,870 done any of these on the show yet so 12 00:00:46,190 --> 00:00:43,370 this might be a good tease or a good 13 00:00:47,810 --> 00:00:46,200 what is it a signpost to point towards 14 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:47,820 where maybe Bigfoot collectors Club 15 00:00:52,130 --> 00:00:48,690 needs to go next 16 00:00:54,260 --> 00:00:52,140 nice yeah you got what are your first of 17 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:54,270 all what I want to ask you this what is 18 00:01:00,799 --> 00:00:56,370 it in your mind what makes for a good 19 00:01:03,860 --> 00:01:00,809 UFO story a good UFO story for me is not 20 00:01:06,530 --> 00:01:03,870 the same prototypical thing over and 21 00:01:08,750 --> 00:01:06,540 over again you know it was saucer shaped 22 00:01:11,030 --> 00:01:08,760 it was there for a second and then it 23 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:11,040 zipped away I believe it happened but 24 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:12,930 for me like that proves nothing we're 25 00:01:17,300 --> 00:01:15,930 absolutely nothing so give me some sort 26 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:17,310 of physical evidence whether it's 27 00:01:21,469 --> 00:01:19,770 photographic whether it's video whether 28 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:21,479 it's trace evidence if I can go to the 29 00:01:26,270 --> 00:01:23,610 site and actually find something is 30 00:01:29,719 --> 00:01:26,280 there traces of radiation in the area 31 00:01:32,179 --> 00:01:29,729 can the FAA tell me that they did or did 32 00:01:33,980 --> 00:01:32,189 not have aircraft in the air at that 33 00:01:36,140 --> 00:01:33,990 time in that area what were the weather 34 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:36,150 conditions everything plays into it now 35 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:38,610 how often are you actually as UFO just 36 00:01:42,609 --> 00:01:40,650 doing that kind of stuff how often are 37 00:01:47,330 --> 00:01:42,619 you actually investigating these kind of 38 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:47,340 accounts yeah I mean for me I am a UFO 39 00:01:52,639 --> 00:01:50,130 journalist before anything so I do tell 40 00:01:56,030 --> 00:01:52,649 people I am a little armchair researcher 41 00:01:58,639 --> 00:01:56,040 I am I I do the show I write articles 42 00:02:00,830 --> 00:01:58,649 about it but I'm not like these 43 00:02:03,499 --> 00:02:00,840 individuals who work for the mutual UFO 44 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:03,509 network MUFON who go out there and 45 00:02:09,650 --> 00:02:06,090 actually investigate I've done that 46 00:02:11,449 --> 00:02:09,660 several times and I love doing it but I 47 00:02:13,190 --> 00:02:11,459 like relaying stories I am definitely a 48 00:02:16,010 --> 00:02:13,200 relator of stories and 49 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:16,020 information so yeah I'd say it's 50 00:02:19,220 --> 00:02:17,970 probably like an 80/20 sort of 51 00:02:21,530 --> 00:02:19,230 percentage but I'm actually out there 52 00:02:23,449 --> 00:02:21,540 boots on the ground right yeah I think 53 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:23,459 I'd be scared of some of the stuff I 54 00:02:27,350 --> 00:02:25,290 might find amazing some of the stories 55 00:02:29,780 --> 00:02:27,360 on your podcast I would be too yeah yeah 56 00:02:33,530 --> 00:02:29,790 sorry yeah so what's your should we go 57 00:02:35,180 --> 00:02:33,540 from least favorite to favorite like 58 00:02:41,509 --> 00:02:35,190 your bottom the top are these under in 59 00:02:44,509 --> 00:02:41,519 particular order down list so number 60 00:02:47,990 --> 00:02:44,519 five yeah five for number five I would 61 00:02:50,420 --> 00:02:48,000 have to go with probably Roswell I mean 62 00:02:53,839 --> 00:02:50,430 it's an easy one to sort of go to but it 63 00:02:56,289 --> 00:02:53,849 is also kind of what we have and to 64 00:02:58,699 --> 00:02:56,299 prove that there is a UFO cover-up right 65 00:03:00,759 --> 00:02:58,709 establishes the narrative of so many 66 00:03:03,740 --> 00:03:00,769 things that come afterwards yeah yeah 67 00:03:06,650 --> 00:03:03,750 1947 again the beginning of the modern 68 00:03:08,780 --> 00:03:06,660 UFO era we had one case before that the 69 00:03:10,490 --> 00:03:08,790 Kenneth Arnold flying saucer sighting 70 00:03:13,640 --> 00:03:10,500 right where the actual term flying 71 00:03:15,830 --> 00:03:13,650 saucer was first coin right later 72 00:03:18,379 --> 00:03:15,840 changed to UFO by the US government a 73 00:03:20,270 --> 00:03:18,389 lot of people don't know that - a sort 74 00:03:23,300 --> 00:03:20,280 of squashed the idea that this could be 75 00:03:26,449 --> 00:03:23,310 alien so yeah I'm gonna go with Roswell 76 00:03:29,770 --> 00:03:26,459 for number five yeah if you have to come 77 00:03:32,270 --> 00:03:29,780 to just a quick conclusion about Roswell 78 00:03:35,090 --> 00:03:32,280 was it an alien craft and were there 79 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:35,100 bodies was there an alien craft in where 80 00:03:42,410 --> 00:03:38,130 their bodies I I know this is sort of 81 00:03:44,319 --> 00:03:42,420 passive I'm gonna go 5050 okay I 50% 82 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:44,329 believe it could possibly be 83 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:47,730 extraterrestrial and probably even 84 00:03:52,759 --> 00:03:50,250 splitting that 50% if there were bodies 85 00:03:56,180 --> 00:03:52,769 I did interview people who claim that 86 00:03:56,599 --> 00:03:56,190 there's evidence that something was 87 00:04:00,080 --> 00:03:56,609 found 88 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:00,090 we spoke to descendants of the gentleman 89 00:04:03,050 --> 00:04:01,170 who worked at the funeral home in 90 00:04:04,490 --> 00:04:03,060 Roswell New Mexico that story's pretty 91 00:04:07,670 --> 00:04:04,500 fast it's fascinating really 92 00:04:10,099 --> 00:04:07,680 yeah the Air Force you allegedly called 93 00:04:11,930 --> 00:04:10,109 him and asked for I think four to five 94 00:04:13,309 --> 00:04:11,940 check out sized coffins and at first he 95 00:04:16,339 --> 00:04:13,319 was like I'm gonna have to special order 96 00:04:18,409 --> 00:04:16,349 those because we don't keep kid coffins 97 00:04:20,810 --> 00:04:18,419 in the funeral home and they're like 98 00:04:22,790 --> 00:04:20,820 okay you know and he's like what is 99 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:22,800 going on it has happened he did ask that 100 00:04:26,570 --> 00:04:25,289 he's okay if if there was an abuse yeah 101 00:04:28,429 --> 00:04:26,580 that they were dead yes 102 00:04:30,110 --> 00:04:28,439 he's like what's going on what what 103 00:04:31,580 --> 00:04:30,120 happened yeah and they said you do not 104 00:04:33,589 --> 00:04:31,590 have a need to know for that just do you 105 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:33,599 have it yeah he didn't he got him 106 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:34,770 ordered and he doesn't know what 107 00:04:40,399 --> 00:04:37,050 happened from there or so fascinating 108 00:04:45,350 --> 00:04:40,409 yeah the I also love the story the other 109 00:04:47,749 --> 00:04:45,360 it's that story and then Mac Brazel is 110 00:04:51,950 --> 00:04:47,759 the one who we also get a clue that 111 00:04:55,550 --> 00:04:51,960 there were bodies which is because he 112 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:55,560 got paid off I think from the Air Force 113 00:04:58,820 --> 00:04:56,490 that keep his mouth shut 114 00:05:01,189 --> 00:04:58,830 he did and he took some of that money to 115 00:05:03,980 --> 00:05:01,199 the bar and was getting drunk people 116 00:05:05,659 --> 00:05:03,990 were making fun of him and someone's 117 00:05:07,580 --> 00:05:05,669 like you seen little green men and he 118 00:05:10,580 --> 00:05:07,590 supposedly walked out drunk and turn 119 00:05:13,879 --> 00:05:10,590 around said they weren't green and left 120 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:13,889 which is one of my favorite little yeah 121 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:16,289 either he was serious or he's like a 122 00:05:23,330 --> 00:05:20,370 master at suspect it's suspenseful 123 00:05:25,519 --> 00:05:23,340 comeback yeah he was not that witty I 124 00:05:28,519 --> 00:05:25,529 could tell you that much from from what 125 00:05:30,260 --> 00:05:28,529 I've heard but sure the a lot of people 126 00:05:32,450 --> 00:05:30,270 also don't know there's two crash sites 127 00:05:35,559 --> 00:05:32,460 right involved with this the corona and 128 00:05:39,709 --> 00:05:35,569 where's the other crash site it 129 00:05:41,540 --> 00:05:39,719 supposedly it is both near Corona okay a 130 00:05:43,939 --> 00:05:41,550 lot of people think it happened in 131 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:43,949 Roswell it did not that's just where the 132 00:05:47,959 --> 00:05:46,050 stuff was brought exactly yeah the 133 00:05:52,100 --> 00:05:47,969 closest town there do anything with it 134 00:05:54,290 --> 00:05:52,110 um what we discovered is there was the 135 00:05:58,579 --> 00:05:54,300 impact site where the thing actually 136 00:06:01,459 --> 00:05:58,589 crashed went back up Basso bounced and 137 00:06:05,499 --> 00:06:01,469 literally went miles and miles and miles 138 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:05,509 away and actually when vaccinated right 139 00:06:11,420 --> 00:06:08,250 finale happened exactly and that's where 140 00:06:14,269 --> 00:06:11,430 supposedly the whatever occupants were 141 00:06:16,550 --> 00:06:14,279 in this craft found coverage in a little 142 00:06:19,189 --> 00:06:16,560 cave area right and so that's 143 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:19,199 interesting yeah yeah and they that is 144 00:06:23,510 --> 00:06:20,849 is that why some people think that there 145 00:06:26,959 --> 00:06:23,520 were two crash two crafts that crashed 146 00:06:28,399 --> 00:06:26,969 that night possibly because but you're 147 00:06:30,050 --> 00:06:28,409 saying and I would tend to agree with 148 00:06:32,869 --> 00:06:30,060 you that it was a thing where it skidded 149 00:06:35,329 --> 00:06:32,879 hit hit once got back up in the air for 150 00:06:37,850 --> 00:06:35,339 miles and then finally came back down I 151 00:06:39,570 --> 00:06:37,860 think so if that thing was coming in at 152 00:06:41,580 --> 00:06:39,580 the trajectory that we 153 00:06:44,399 --> 00:06:41,590 been told that has and a lot of 154 00:06:46,860 --> 00:06:44,409 testimony of you know what happened I 155 00:06:49,740 --> 00:06:46,870 could understand that like coming in at 156 00:06:51,689 --> 00:06:49,750 that force and if you look at the debris 157 00:06:54,300 --> 00:06:51,699 that supposedly has been found and was 158 00:06:56,850 --> 00:06:54,310 picked up by the military tiny particles 159 00:06:59,929 --> 00:06:56,860 of like some sort of metallic objects 160 00:07:03,749 --> 00:06:59,939 burnt bent charred like this thing 161 00:07:05,939 --> 00:07:03,759 exploded at a tremendous speed so it 162 00:07:08,990 --> 00:07:05,949 shattered right it's absolutely 163 00:07:11,939 --> 00:07:09,000 shattered so yeah I was wondered if this 164 00:07:15,029 --> 00:07:11,949 alien metal was so malleable how it 165 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:15,039 would fall apart in a crash right but I 166 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:17,050 guess if the impacts hard enough and 167 00:07:21,629 --> 00:07:18,610 then either that or a lot of people 168 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:21,639 think he got shot down yeah - so or that 169 00:07:26,249 --> 00:07:23,770 they tried to land it and they were 170 00:07:29,070 --> 00:07:26,259 looking for a flat area to crash-land 171 00:07:31,709 --> 00:07:29,080 the object after they were you know shot 172 00:07:33,089 --> 00:07:31,719 down or struck by lightning perhaps it 173 00:07:35,279 --> 00:07:33,099 was a lightning storm that night there 174 00:07:38,399 --> 00:07:35,289 was yeah yep yep all right cool so let's 175 00:07:42,230 --> 00:07:38,409 go to number four number four I'm going 176 00:07:44,700 --> 00:07:42,240 to go with the Carlos de Santos UFO of 177 00:07:46,830 --> 00:07:44,710 1975 I don't think I know this story 178 00:07:49,110 --> 00:07:46,840 yeah I didn't know it either to be 179 00:07:51,959 --> 00:07:49,120 honest until I I spoke to a gentleman 180 00:07:55,110 --> 00:07:51,969 who strictly investigates cases out of 181 00:07:58,129 --> 00:07:55,120 the Southwest and Mexico and yeah this 182 00:08:02,399 --> 00:07:58,139 happened to a gentleman he was flying a 183 00:08:05,279 --> 00:08:02,409 private plane Piper at the time and he 184 00:08:08,670 --> 00:08:05,289 was heading to Mexico City and as he was 185 00:08:12,119 --> 00:08:08,680 in the air he saw three saucer shaped 186 00:08:14,279 --> 00:08:12,129 objects coming towards him he started 187 00:08:16,769 --> 00:08:14,289 radio in being like who's around me 188 00:08:18,089 --> 00:08:16,779 what's going on here and all those 189 00:08:20,100 --> 00:08:18,099 instruments started to fail his 190 00:08:22,290 --> 00:08:20,110 transmissions with the flight towers 191 00:08:23,879 --> 00:08:22,300 were starting to fail and the objects 192 00:08:25,050 --> 00:08:23,889 just got closer and closer until he 193 00:08:28,140 --> 00:08:25,060 could actually make out that they were 194 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:28,150 saucer shaped and they surrounded his 195 00:08:34,439 --> 00:08:31,930 plane and then one of them actually hit 196 00:08:36,509 --> 00:08:34,449 his fuselage what yeah 197 00:08:38,819 --> 00:08:36,519 crashed into his plane and he started 198 00:08:40,339 --> 00:08:38,829 going out of control he started he 199 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:40,349 started getting back on the radio and 200 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:42,930 finally got in touch with the FAA 201 00:08:46,860 --> 00:08:45,370 whoever was in that area at the time the 202 00:08:49,680 --> 00:08:46,870 flight towers I should say 203 00:08:51,780 --> 00:08:49,690 and Mayday Mayday I've just been hit I 204 00:08:54,930 --> 00:08:51,790 don't know what's going on I don't know 205 00:08:57,630 --> 00:08:54,940 what to do and we have actual audio 206 00:08:59,850 --> 00:08:57,640 documentation of this hat Wow 207 00:09:03,960 --> 00:08:59,860 you can find it online did he see 208 00:09:07,050 --> 00:09:03,970 portals on the saucer city from what I 209 00:09:11,340 --> 00:09:07,060 can gather from his testimony pilots 210 00:09:14,610 --> 00:09:11,350 know pilots all he could see was a dome 211 00:09:17,340 --> 00:09:14,620 shaped craft solid dome shape not like a 212 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:17,350 glass right thing with not like the 213 00:09:22,140 --> 00:09:20,050 Jetsons exactly exactly so he couldn't 214 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:22,150 see inside of them he was too busy just 215 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:23,290 trying to gain control of his 216 00:09:27,540 --> 00:09:25,330 instruments and his plane he didn't know 217 00:09:29,820 --> 00:09:27,550 what to do and he started he thought he 218 00:09:33,660 --> 00:09:29,830 was gonna crash so how did you make it 219 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:33,670 to an airport so what happened was as he 220 00:09:38,790 --> 00:09:36,370 was trying to gain control he said that 221 00:09:42,780 --> 00:09:38,800 these craft these technology whatever 222 00:09:43,560 --> 00:09:42,790 actually helped him safely land at the 223 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:43,570 airport 224 00:09:48,510 --> 00:09:45,370 they got him to a point where he could 225 00:09:51,150 --> 00:09:48,520 gain control they disappeared off into 226 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:51,160 the mountains and he was able to land 227 00:09:55,710 --> 00:09:53,650 but when he got down there clearly 228 00:09:57,810 --> 00:09:55,720 something had hit his plane like holy 229 00:09:59,790 --> 00:09:57,820 [\h__\h] the people who showed up there were 230 00:10:00,960 --> 00:09:59,800 like what what the hell happened to your 231 00:10:02,270 --> 00:10:00,970 plane there's no reason you should be 232 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:02,280 alive right now 233 00:10:07,740 --> 00:10:05,170 yep photos of the plane yep immediately 234 00:10:10,020 --> 00:10:07,750 they got this guy into like a psych ward 235 00:10:12,660 --> 00:10:10,030 a hospital first of all check him out 236 00:10:15,300 --> 00:10:12,670 and they said he's fine like he seems 237 00:10:18,450 --> 00:10:15,310 traumatized but like he's perfectly sane 238 00:10:20,790 --> 00:10:18,460 and it's it's crazy Wow crazy was the 239 00:10:29,310 --> 00:10:20,800 name of that again carlos de los santos 240 00:10:32,100 --> 00:10:29,320 case 1975 all right number three number 241 00:10:36,420 --> 00:10:32,110 three all right I'm going to go with the 242 00:10:38,340 --> 00:10:36,430 Rendlesham case case we've talked about 243 00:10:41,699 --> 00:10:38,350 it we haven't done a full episode 244 00:10:42,900 --> 00:10:41,709 devoted to it okay okay I have is one of 245 00:10:45,510 --> 00:10:42,910 those big ones where he's trying to 246 00:10:47,820 --> 00:10:45,520 spread them out a little bit you know so 247 00:10:50,269 --> 00:10:47,830 we have talked about it okay cool yeah 248 00:10:53,850 --> 00:10:50,279 you don't want to play all your cards in 249 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:53,860 Rendlesham 1980 this was on a joint 250 00:10:59,460 --> 00:10:57,250 military base in England Rendlesham 251 00:11:00,809 --> 00:10:59,470 forest connected basically connected 252 00:11:04,139 --> 00:11:00,819 these two bases 253 00:11:07,439 --> 00:11:04,149 and there was a craft that supposedly 254 00:11:10,019 --> 00:11:07,449 landed in the forest and clearly they 255 00:11:12,299 --> 00:11:10,029 had this thing caught on radar and they 256 00:11:15,179 --> 00:11:12,309 saw it land so the bases go into 257 00:11:17,369 --> 00:11:15,189 emergency mode they send dozens and 258 00:11:19,590 --> 00:11:17,379 dozens of officers out there to 259 00:11:21,150 --> 00:11:19,600 investigate what this thing was and I've 260 00:11:23,369 --> 00:11:21,160 spoken to many of the officers who have 261 00:11:23,879 --> 00:11:23,379 come forward about their experiences 262 00:11:27,299 --> 00:11:23,889 with it 263 00:11:29,479 --> 00:11:27,309 my unique involvement was with this is I 264 00:11:31,710 --> 00:11:29,489 was in New York at the time as a 265 00:11:34,439 --> 00:11:31,720 struggling playwright trying to write a 266 00:11:35,879 --> 00:11:34,449 play about this okay so that's how I got 267 00:11:37,769 --> 00:11:35,889 in touch with some of the officers and 268 00:11:41,029 --> 00:11:37,779 one of the lead investigators on the 269 00:11:43,859 --> 00:11:41,039 case and that was my sort of peripheral 270 00:11:45,779 --> 00:11:43,869 introduction to it since then it's just 271 00:11:47,369 --> 00:11:45,789 crazy where this case this is like one 272 00:11:49,199 --> 00:11:47,379 of them read hi like look at 273 00:11:51,090 --> 00:11:49,209 hieroglyphics on the ship and then it 274 00:11:52,889 --> 00:11:51,100 was like writing [\h__\h] down in binary 275 00:11:56,879 --> 00:11:52,899 code or something that actually made 276 00:11:58,799 --> 00:11:56,889 some sense so I mean this guy Jim 277 00:12:00,840 --> 00:11:58,809 Penniston one of the officers who 278 00:12:02,999 --> 00:12:00,850 actually touched the craft got that 279 00:12:05,789 --> 00:12:03,009 close he said the minute he touch it he 280 00:12:08,849 --> 00:12:05,799 saw strange objects on it when he 281 00:12:11,099 --> 00:12:08,859 touched it something was downloaded into 282 00:12:13,079 --> 00:12:11,109 his brain this binary code he was able 283 00:12:14,429 --> 00:12:13,089 to like kind of write it down quick as 284 00:12:16,259 --> 00:12:14,439 it was happening to him 285 00:12:18,119 --> 00:12:16,269 same with like what the craft look like 286 00:12:20,879 --> 00:12:18,129 what the hieroglyphics looked like and 287 00:12:24,569 --> 00:12:20,889 since then they've gotten this binary 288 00:12:27,059 --> 00:12:24,579 code decoded and it's like ley lines 289 00:12:30,059 --> 00:12:27,069 it's it's these areas throughout the 290 00:12:33,509 --> 00:12:30,069 world that a lot of weird stuff lands on 291 00:12:35,819 --> 00:12:33,519 the pyramids this that and one of the 292 00:12:36,359 --> 00:12:35,829 ley lines is apparently Rendlesham 293 00:12:38,369 --> 00:12:36,369 forest 294 00:12:41,249 --> 00:12:38,379 Wow so you have to wonder why did it 295 00:12:43,379 --> 00:12:41,259 land there and what was it and did this 296 00:12:47,309 --> 00:12:43,389 actually happen to him but no entities 297 00:12:50,159 --> 00:12:47,319 seen in that yes okay there were there 298 00:12:53,340 --> 00:12:50,169 were according to one officer at the 299 00:12:56,279 --> 00:12:53,350 time very controversial guy came forward 300 00:12:57,840 --> 00:12:56,289 his name is Larry Warren and he said 301 00:13:01,529 --> 00:12:57,850 that when he went out there as a 302 00:13:05,549 --> 00:13:01,539 security police officer he saw the craft 303 00:13:08,279 --> 00:13:05,559 he saw his superiors talking to someone 304 00:13:11,069 --> 00:13:08,289 but when he got closer who they were 305 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:11,079 talking to we're like three feet tall no 306 00:13:14,780 --> 00:13:13,290 way glowing 307 00:13:16,939 --> 00:13:14,790 all that stuff you hear about in like 308 00:13:19,879 --> 00:13:16,949 the Hopkins yeah what's up with the 309 00:13:21,259 --> 00:13:19,889 glow-in-the-dark aliens don't we have 310 00:13:25,579 --> 00:13:21,269 more of those I know it's like a 311 00:13:27,980 --> 00:13:25,589 Twilight vampire I guess yeah yeah but 312 00:13:29,329 --> 00:13:27,990 yeah that was that's very controversial 313 00:13:31,370 --> 00:13:29,339 he's the only one who's claimed that 314 00:13:32,900 --> 00:13:31,380 they were entities seen okay at the site 315 00:13:35,900 --> 00:13:32,910 so you gotta take that for what it's 316 00:13:38,509 --> 00:13:35,910 worth right but yeah fascinating case so 317 00:13:41,780 --> 00:13:38,519 a few people sent a link which I have 318 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:41,790 not looked at this weekend past week you 319 00:13:45,470 --> 00:13:43,050 know but some there was some connection 320 00:13:47,540 --> 00:13:45,480 between that and John McCain yeah yeah 321 00:13:49,550 --> 00:13:47,550 yeah that's funny you mentioned that I 322 00:13:51,170 --> 00:13:49,560 just covered that on my show oh really 323 00:13:52,519 --> 00:13:51,180 what was the can you not show that real 324 00:13:53,629 --> 00:13:52,529 quick with the connection between John 325 00:13:57,319 --> 00:13:53,639 McCain yeah totally 326 00:13:58,910 --> 00:13:57,329 so a few years ago the other gentleman 327 00:14:01,069 --> 00:13:58,920 that was with John Penniston the guy who 328 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:01,079 touched the craft he was there with him 329 00:14:07,699 --> 00:14:05,490 at the time and he had a completely 330 00:14:09,379 --> 00:14:07,709 different experience he blacked out hmm 331 00:14:12,170 --> 00:14:09,389 when this all happened when that's like 332 00:14:14,780 --> 00:14:12,180 Calvin Parker did with the Pascagoula he 333 00:14:17,750 --> 00:14:14,790 blacked out yep it seems that always one 334 00:14:21,829 --> 00:14:17,760 blacks out and another has yeah weird so 335 00:14:23,780 --> 00:14:21,839 I this guy John Burroughs he blacked out 336 00:14:26,509 --> 00:14:23,790 during all this wakes up to see the 337 00:14:28,550 --> 00:14:26,519 craft descend into the air and disappear 338 00:14:30,430 --> 00:14:28,560 he didn't talk about about it for a 339 00:14:32,780 --> 00:14:30,440 really long time when the whistle 340 00:14:36,019 --> 00:14:32,790 eventually blew on this whole case and a 341 00:14:39,319 --> 00:14:36,029 lot of officers came forward he started 342 00:14:42,980 --> 00:14:39,329 having weird health problems due to 343 00:14:46,009 --> 00:14:42,990 radiation and they asked him when were 344 00:14:47,750 --> 00:14:46,019 you around radiation he said I the only 345 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:47,760 thing I could think of was this weird 346 00:14:54,889 --> 00:14:49,410 thing that happened to me back in the 347 00:14:57,199 --> 00:14:54,899 80s when I was on his base so what is up 348 00:14:59,750 --> 00:14:57,209 with that did this craft have some sort 349 00:15:02,240 --> 00:14:59,760 of radiation effect on him he believed 350 00:15:04,189 --> 00:15:02,250 so he got checked out by the the 351 00:15:07,340 --> 00:15:04,199 veteran's hospital and they were like 352 00:15:09,530 --> 00:15:07,350 dude what the hell happened to you this 353 00:15:11,629 --> 00:15:09,540 is far beyond what any human being 354 00:15:13,939 --> 00:15:11,639 should have in their system in terms of 355 00:15:15,679 --> 00:15:13,949 like trace radiation and he's like I 356 00:15:16,460 --> 00:15:15,689 don't know but like I'm having a lot of 357 00:15:18,769 --> 00:15:16,470 things happen 358 00:15:21,050 --> 00:15:18,779 this was life-threatening for him like 359 00:15:22,129 --> 00:15:21,060 this could have like really it could 360 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:22,139 have killed him 361 00:15:26,569 --> 00:15:24,810 so what he did is tried to get surgery 362 00:15:27,470 --> 00:15:26,579 and everything done through the veteran 363 00:15:30,580 --> 00:15:27,480 affair 364 00:15:33,350 --> 00:15:30,590 cuz can't afford that yeah you know and 365 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:33,360 it was a big sort of back and forth an 366 00:15:36,350 --> 00:15:34,650 argument for a long time with the 367 00:15:38,620 --> 00:15:36,360 Veteran Affairs like we we can't cover 368 00:15:42,500 --> 00:15:38,630 this this that this that John McCain 369 00:15:45,770 --> 00:15:42,510 somehow heard about this and was like I 370 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:45,780 am all for our veterans getting the help 371 00:15:51,410 --> 00:15:49,050 they can from this so John burrows along 372 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:51,420 with his attorney and John McCain's 373 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:54,090 approval they all went to the Veteran 374 00:15:58,730 --> 00:15:56,130 Affairs and said you need to help this 375 00:16:00,680 --> 00:15:58,740 guy Wow you need to help and he won the 376 00:16:02,990 --> 00:16:00,690 case yeah so this is the first 377 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:03,000 documented case that the Veteran Affairs 378 00:16:07,790 --> 00:16:05,370 has said this man was directly affected 379 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:07,800 by a UFO event and is health 380 00:16:10,670 --> 00:16:09,690 deteriorated and we got a help that's 381 00:16:12,980 --> 00:16:10,680 insane 382 00:16:15,940 --> 00:16:12,990 yeah that's mind-blowing Wow awesome 383 00:16:20,330 --> 00:16:15,950 story yeah alright number two number two 384 00:16:23,330 --> 00:16:20,340 all right this one is really fascinating 385 00:16:25,490 --> 00:16:23,340 to me this is a woman I interviewed 386 00:16:28,340 --> 00:16:25,500 actually in my book this happened in 387 00:16:31,250 --> 00:16:28,350 2005 her name is patty I won't give away 388 00:16:34,220 --> 00:16:31,260 away her last name but she had a 389 00:16:39,170 --> 00:16:34,230 triangular UFO sighting in Michigan over 390 00:16:40,850 --> 00:16:39,180 her home what year this was 2005 2005 391 00:16:44,030 --> 00:16:40,860 sorry no no not at all 392 00:16:45,830 --> 00:16:44,040 and she went out with her dogs take him 393 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:45,840 for a walk at night dogs would not leave 394 00:16:50,420 --> 00:16:48,210 the porch never happened before she 395 00:16:52,190 --> 00:16:50,430 didn't know why she went out saw this 396 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:52,200 triangular thing right above their home 397 00:16:58,430 --> 00:16:55,410 she yells for some of her family to come 398 00:17:00,830 --> 00:16:58,440 out one of her daughters runs out and 399 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:00,840 sees the thing too so okay she's not 400 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:03,930 imagining this and as they're looking up 401 00:17:08,660 --> 00:17:05,970 at this triangular thing patty the 402 00:17:10,730 --> 00:17:08,670 mother starts feeling euphoric and like 403 00:17:12,890 --> 00:17:10,740 this is an incredible experience I'm 404 00:17:15,500 --> 00:17:12,900 having I can't explain what I'm feeling 405 00:17:18,170 --> 00:17:15,510 but it's beautiful and it's silent 406 00:17:20,900 --> 00:17:18,180 hovering above me meanwhile she asks her 407 00:17:22,340 --> 00:17:20,910 daughter like well what's going on she 408 00:17:25,070 --> 00:17:22,350 looks over her daughter's covering her 409 00:17:27,430 --> 00:17:25,080 ears and saying how unbearably loud this 410 00:17:30,230 --> 00:17:27,440 thing is above them and that it's 411 00:17:33,470 --> 00:17:30,240 dangerous and she feel felt like it was 412 00:17:35,030 --> 00:17:33,480 a threat so right there that really drew 413 00:17:36,620 --> 00:17:35,040 me in they were having completely 414 00:17:38,660 --> 00:17:36,630 different experiences looking at the 415 00:17:41,270 --> 00:17:38,670 same exact thing one said it was silent 416 00:17:44,150 --> 00:17:41,280 one said it was unbearably loud 417 00:17:48,380 --> 00:17:44,160 but it gets even weirder after this 418 00:17:49,970 --> 00:17:48,390 initial event the third the third person 419 00:17:52,670 --> 00:17:49,980 involved the younger daughter 420 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:52,680 one night she wakes up and she's going 421 00:17:59,570 --> 00:17:55,490 to the bathroom and she sees this weird 422 00:18:04,910 --> 00:17:59,580 dark entity leaving her parents yikes 423 00:18:06,740 --> 00:18:04,920 thank you Shadow Man yep yep that's that 424 00:18:09,710 --> 00:18:06,750 was my first inclination like shadow 425 00:18:11,750 --> 00:18:09,720 people or like maybe like she was tired 426 00:18:13,610 --> 00:18:11,760 her eyes were playing tricks on her but 427 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:13,620 she saw the things start heading to her 428 00:18:18,170 --> 00:18:14,850 own bedroom 429 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:18,180 so she runs into her room gets under the 430 00:18:23,860 --> 00:18:21,450 covers and next thing she knows she 431 00:18:26,540 --> 00:18:23,870 hears her mom's voice in the room and 432 00:18:29,660 --> 00:18:26,550 she takes the covers down and her mom's 433 00:18:31,670 --> 00:18:29,670 like her mom's there she's there she's 434 00:18:33,740 --> 00:18:31,680 definitely there saying honey I heard 435 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:33,750 like footsteps outside what's going on 436 00:18:40,130 --> 00:18:36,330 is everything okay when the moms asking 437 00:18:42,860 --> 00:18:40,140 this the entity is in the room surveying 438 00:18:45,470 --> 00:18:42,870 the room looking at stuff like touching 439 00:18:47,420 --> 00:18:45,480 things and she's petrified she can't 440 00:18:50,450 --> 00:18:47,430 even like tell her mom doesn't sleep 441 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:50,460 over there mom doesn't see it so she 442 00:18:56,180 --> 00:18:52,770 kind of calms her down she's like 443 00:18:57,830 --> 00:18:56,190 watching the entity look around and as 444 00:19:00,950 --> 00:18:57,840 the moms leaving the room the entity 445 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:00,960 follows the mom out and then that's all 446 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:03,650 she remembers after that she eventually 447 00:19:08,870 --> 00:19:06,570 somehow goes back to sleep I don't know 448 00:19:10,670 --> 00:19:08,880 how I would never sleep again I know and 449 00:19:12,380 --> 00:19:10,680 this is one of those cases where I'm 450 00:19:14,630 --> 00:19:12,390 like things just keep getting weirder 451 00:19:16,850 --> 00:19:14,640 and weirder they started having weird 452 00:19:20,210 --> 00:19:16,860 poltergeist activity in the home after 453 00:19:21,830 --> 00:19:20,220 that after these events and their 454 00:19:24,590 --> 00:19:21,840 electricity went out at one point they 455 00:19:27,950 --> 00:19:24,600 had Con Ed or whoever come out and see 456 00:19:30,860 --> 00:19:27,960 what was going on as the Con Ed guy is 457 00:19:34,820 --> 00:19:30,870 trying to fix their electricity he sees 458 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:34,830 a UFO above the house what and he goes 459 00:19:37,660 --> 00:19:37,290 into their house and tells them I'm out 460 00:19:40,610 --> 00:19:37,670 of here 461 00:19:45,010 --> 00:19:40,620 I'll send someone else I gotta get out 462 00:19:47,450 --> 00:19:45,020 of here and it just kept going and going 463 00:19:50,030 --> 00:19:47,460 crazy because that sounds like a ghost 464 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:50,040 story but the ghosts are aliens yeah 465 00:19:54,710 --> 00:19:51,690 like it's definitely like aliens 466 00:19:56,510 --> 00:19:54,720 haunting a family yes like we're picking 467 00:19:58,370 --> 00:19:56,520 you guys out we're kind of claiming the 468 00:20:01,220 --> 00:19:58,380 house you're using the house we're 469 00:20:03,350 --> 00:20:01,230 scaring away like the rationally minded 470 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:03,360 people you know it I mean it that 471 00:20:09,020 --> 00:20:06,450 there's no difference in story structure 472 00:20:11,510 --> 00:20:09,030 right between that and a good haunting 473 00:20:13,930 --> 00:20:11,520 right yes it was like the doors were 474 00:20:17,029 --> 00:20:13,940 open it started with a UFO and then like 475 00:20:19,340 --> 00:20:17,039 poltergeist slept in the shadow person 476 00:20:21,049 --> 00:20:19,350 or alien entity was like okay I'm gonna 477 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:21,059 go mess with them now that you open 478 00:20:26,299 --> 00:20:23,610 Pandora's Box I don't know I'm still 479 00:20:28,220 --> 00:20:26,309 working with Patty on this case things 480 00:20:30,260 --> 00:20:28,230 are still developing she's still having 481 00:20:32,090 --> 00:20:30,270 weird stuff go on the daughters don't 482 00:20:34,399 --> 00:20:32,100 really want to talk about it sound 483 00:20:37,310 --> 00:20:34,409 similar to the copeley wood stuffed yeah 484 00:20:39,260 --> 00:20:37,320 it really does yep it does so yeah 485 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:39,270 developing case still working whether 486 00:20:44,180 --> 00:20:42,090 I'm sure I'm gonna talk to her within 487 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:44,190 the next couple months to see if check 488 00:20:47,330 --> 00:20:45,330 back in and see if anything in these 489 00:20:48,919 --> 00:20:47,340 photos anything is there photographic 490 00:20:51,110 --> 00:20:48,929 evidence of pictures of the ship or 491 00:20:53,810 --> 00:20:51,120 anything they do of the craft they have 492 00:20:56,270 --> 00:20:53,820 photos of the craft and pretty 493 00:20:59,390 --> 00:20:56,280 compelling yep are they available to the 494 00:21:03,620 --> 00:20:59,400 public not yet no maybe in your book 495 00:21:05,120 --> 00:21:03,630 possible K yeah maybe future if if you 496 00:21:09,260 --> 00:21:05,130 want to see him I can definitely try to 497 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:09,270 see those I will have to check with her 498 00:21:14,029 --> 00:21:11,970 first okay she has shared them before in 499 00:21:16,700 --> 00:21:14,039 the public so yeah I will definitely try 500 00:21:25,120 --> 00:21:16,710 to get that to ya little bonus for the 501 00:21:31,100 --> 00:21:27,610 fascinating all right yeah number one 502 00:21:34,370 --> 00:21:31,110 all right so this this is the case that 503 00:21:38,210 --> 00:21:34,380 I go to whenever anybody asks me for 504 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:38,220 documentation so I did a Freedom of 505 00:21:43,789 --> 00:21:41,010 Information request a couple years ago 506 00:21:47,930 --> 00:21:43,799 now to the Department of intelligence 507 00:21:49,669 --> 00:21:47,940 the DIA part of the DoD and I had heard 508 00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:49,679 about this case I'd heard stories about 509 00:21:53,779 --> 00:21:50,880 it but I wanted to see if I could 510 00:22:00,289 --> 00:21:53,789 actually get anything on it and I did 511 00:22:01,580 --> 00:22:00,299 they have a real well we talked about 512 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:01,590 like if I'm a boots on the ground 513 00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:03,450 investigator I am more of like an 514 00:22:07,279 --> 00:22:05,760 armchair researcher say I wanted to do 515 00:22:08,150 --> 00:22:07,289 my due diligence and see what I could 516 00:22:10,700 --> 00:22:08,160 find on this 517 00:22:14,270 --> 00:22:10,710 so I hammered them for any information 518 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:14,280 on this one and I waited probably a year 519 00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:15,570 and a half to actually get a response 520 00:22:20,390 --> 00:22:17,760 from Wow and they apologized they said 521 00:22:21,890 --> 00:22:20,400 we are so backlogged like we're sorry 522 00:22:24,020 --> 00:22:21,900 but you got to be careful when you do 523 00:22:26,270 --> 00:22:24,030 these requests because if you don't go 524 00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:26,280 in with specifics they're not gonna give 525 00:22:29,810 --> 00:22:28,320 you [\h__\h] right you have to do your 526 00:22:32,450 --> 00:22:29,820 homework before you make these requests 527 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:32,460 I reached out to a gentleman who told me 528 00:22:36,770 --> 00:22:34,410 exactly how I should word this who I 529 00:22:40,130 --> 00:22:36,780 should direct it to and he was right I 530 00:22:42,020 --> 00:22:40,140 mean what was the case so this was and 531 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:42,030 then yeah he was the right person to go 532 00:22:47,900 --> 00:22:44,610 to the right person to go to was the 533 00:22:52,730 --> 00:22:47,910 Department of intelligence and this was 534 00:22:54,260 --> 00:22:52,740 the Tehran case of 1960 so yeah yeah 535 00:22:59,080 --> 00:22:54,270 this rings a bell 536 00:23:01,910 --> 00:22:59,090 yeah so this happened in Tehran Iran and 537 00:23:04,730 --> 00:23:01,920 strange lights were seen being seen over 538 00:23:07,490 --> 00:23:04,740 the town and they people started 539 00:23:09,500 --> 00:23:07,500 contacting local law enforcement and the 540 00:23:11,660 --> 00:23:09,510 airport be like what's going on like 541 00:23:14,660 --> 00:23:11,670 there's weird stuff being seen in the 542 00:23:18,770 --> 00:23:14,670 area like should we be worried is this 543 00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:18,780 an attack of some sort and so the local 544 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:21,120 air force base got involved and they 545 00:23:26,660 --> 00:23:23,730 were like what like we know nothing 546 00:23:28,850 --> 00:23:26,670 about this we got some weird blips on a 547 00:23:32,330 --> 00:23:28,860 radar but we should probably investigate 548 00:23:35,150 --> 00:23:32,340 this so they sent two pilots up to look 549 00:23:37,030 --> 00:23:35,160 for whatever people were seeing and once 550 00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:37,040 they got up there they saw these weird 551 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:40,080 brilliant bright lights and the closer 552 00:23:47,030 --> 00:23:43,770 they got the less their instrumentation 553 00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:47,040 would work Wow so that they got a little 554 00:23:49,820 --> 00:23:48,480 scared at that point they're like I 555 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:49,830 don't even know if we can like make it 556 00:23:53,900 --> 00:23:51,810 up to whatever this is to investigate it 557 00:23:56,570 --> 00:23:53,910 they actually turn around go back to the 558 00:23:58,730 --> 00:23:56,580 base and they told their superior yeah I 559 00:24:01,490 --> 00:23:58,740 agree I agree they told their superior 560 00:24:03,860 --> 00:24:01,500 we don't know what's going on but we 561 00:24:05,900 --> 00:24:03,870 can't get a lock on it we can't see it 562 00:24:08,150 --> 00:24:05,910 but it's making all of our instruments 563 00:24:12,290 --> 00:24:08,160 fail so Parviz Jafari 564 00:24:15,050 --> 00:24:12,300 a a major I believe at the time he went 565 00:24:18,350 --> 00:24:15,060 up by himself he's like fine you gotta 566 00:24:20,870 --> 00:24:18,360 hold my beer yes 567 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:20,880 I can imagine this dude doing that he 568 00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:22,410 did he was like you're fine you're too 569 00:24:27,230 --> 00:24:24,480 chicken I'm gonna go up there so you 570 00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:27,240 know as a veteran who was who'd flown so 571 00:24:32,150 --> 00:24:29,520 much he was like I'm gonna take a crack 572 00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:32,160 at this he goes up and he actually got 573 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:34,320 super close to whatever this thing was 574 00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:37,650 and saw a structure to it it was diamond 575 00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:40,080 shaped cool just pretty cool I don't 576 00:24:44,330 --> 00:24:42,240 hear that often no Close Encounters has 577 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:44,340 one of those couple of those little but 578 00:24:48,830 --> 00:24:46,170 they're little right right this thing 579 00:24:52,810 --> 00:24:48,840 was huge he said that it was probably 580 00:24:57,650 --> 00:24:52,820 the size of like a um a Boeing like 581 00:24:59,720 --> 00:24:57,660 jumbo jet and am insane yeah so he gets 582 00:25:02,390 --> 00:24:59,730 close to it has the same problems his 583 00:25:04,430 --> 00:25:02,400 instruments start to fail but what was 584 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:04,440 interesting is as he's looking at this 585 00:25:09,860 --> 00:25:07,530 huge diamond thing a smaller object came 586 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:09,870 out of it it started following his plane 587 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:12,090 and that's when he started getting 588 00:25:16,940 --> 00:25:14,850 worried he's like this like this isn't 589 00:25:19,580 --> 00:25:16,950 just one thing like there's some other 590 00:25:22,010 --> 00:25:19,590 things attached to this and it started 591 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:22,020 falling came out yeah like some sort of 592 00:25:26,690 --> 00:25:24,210 probe or drone started following this 593 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:26,700 plane and got a lock on him so right now 594 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:29,850 he's in a dogfight with a UFO he's 595 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:32,970 following it it's following him he gets 596 00:25:39,710 --> 00:25:34,770 a lock on it gets a lock on him as he 597 00:25:42,250 --> 00:25:39,720 fire on it so he actually was going to 598 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:42,260 fire on it but it made like these 599 00:25:46,970 --> 00:25:44,490 unbelievable maneuvers and got behind 600 00:25:49,910 --> 00:25:46,980 him and then got the lock on him so now 601 00:25:52,700 --> 00:25:49,920 he's trying to outrun the UFO and what 602 00:25:57,860 --> 00:25:52,710 he does is he takes a negative G's those 603 00:25:59,900 --> 00:25:57,870 seen in a movie you can see it yeah and 604 00:26:02,900 --> 00:25:59,910 this is all in the documents I got this 605 00:26:05,390 --> 00:26:02,910 is crazy about this guy's testimony so 606 00:26:09,380 --> 00:26:05,400 he makes a negative knows G dive or 607 00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:09,390 what-have-you and outmaneuver Z and that 608 00:26:15,500 --> 00:26:13,200 thing like crash lands apparently into 609 00:26:17,390 --> 00:26:15,510 the mountains and he doesn't know where 610 00:26:20,540 --> 00:26:17,400 it go it went from there the 611 00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:20,550 diamond-shaped mothership as I presume 612 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:25,440 took off as well you know event over but 613 00:26:29,690 --> 00:26:27,330 he goes and investigates it the next day 614 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:29,700 in the town where supposedly the thing 615 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:32,250 landed no one saw anything but 616 00:26:37,670 --> 00:26:34,650 they did hear some sort of explosion in 617 00:26:41,450 --> 00:26:37,680 the town there was trace radiation found 618 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:41,460 in the area the way the Defense 619 00:26:45,260 --> 00:26:43,290 Intelligence Agency got involved in 620 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:45,270 America is we are leasing our planes to 621 00:26:50,030 --> 00:26:47,610 Iran at the time so it was our aircraft 622 00:26:52,130 --> 00:26:50,040 that Parviz Jafari was flying so they 623 00:26:56,270 --> 00:26:52,140 wanted to know what the hell happened 624 00:26:58,340 --> 00:26:56,280 and what our new Vord our yeah yeah yeah 625 00:26:59,480 --> 00:26:58,350 so that's how they got involved they 626 00:27:01,610 --> 00:26:59,490 wanted to do their own personal 627 00:27:03,530 --> 00:27:01,620 investigation they worked with jafari 628 00:27:07,820 --> 00:27:03,540 and then eventually told him you never 629 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:07,830 talk about this again oh Jesus so he it 630 00:27:11,050 --> 00:27:09,570 goes even further he spoke in front of 631 00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:11,060 the National Press Club in Washington 632 00:27:17,060 --> 00:27:15,120 about this event and we lost him a few 633 00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:17,070 years ago unfortunately oh no but we 634 00:27:20,570 --> 00:27:18,720 have all this documentation and 635 00:27:22,340 --> 00:27:20,580 testimony to rely on when it comes to 636 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:22,350 this case that's why it's number one for 637 00:27:27,770 --> 00:27:24,810 me we have government documents we have 638 00:27:30,260 --> 00:27:27,780 the testimony of a military pilot and we 639 00:27:33,830 --> 00:27:30,270 have a clear cover-up as well don't talk 640 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:33,840 about this he did Wow god that's too bad 641 00:27:38,210 --> 00:27:36,450 he's gone I know that seems to be the 642 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:38,220 problem with a lot of these UFO cases 643 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:40,170 it's a race where the Undertaker when it 644 00:27:44,120 --> 00:27:42,210 comes to it well and especially Roswell 645 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:44,130 you know like that's what when I 646 00:27:49,460 --> 00:27:46,290 mentioned on the main feed episode with 647 00:27:53,710 --> 00:27:49,470 you that when Dennis Balthazar took us 648 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:53,720 around town not only are his first 649 00:27:58,790 --> 00:27:57,090 secondhand witnesses dying a lot of the 650 00:28:00,680 --> 00:27:58,800 original buildings are being torn down 651 00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:00,690 and replaced by he's like pretty soon 652 00:28:05,390 --> 00:28:03,600 I'm gonna have fewer and fewer I'm gonna 653 00:28:07,780 --> 00:28:05,400 have nothing to actually point at and be 654 00:28:10,430 --> 00:28:07,790 like this is where this thing was yeah 655 00:28:13,610 --> 00:28:10,440 so we found that too we were able to 656 00:28:16,790 --> 00:28:13,620 find you know third hand or distant 657 00:28:18,350 --> 00:28:16,800 relatives of Jesse Marcel to speak to 658 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:18,360 but yeah like what do you do when you're 659 00:28:22,700 --> 00:28:20,730 firsthand witnesses are gone you know 660 00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:22,710 maybe the cover-up one at that point but 661 00:28:26,270 --> 00:28:24,480 uh we're not done a lot of UFO 662 00:28:29,210 --> 00:28:26,280 investigators aren't done we're gonna 663 00:28:33,020 --> 00:28:29,220 keep digging yeah Oh fascinating 664 00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:33,030 oh man great top five listens news 665 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:35,130 stories that we should dig into on our 666 00:28:39,500 --> 00:28:37,290 podcast as well but Ryan spec thank you 667 00:28:40,130 --> 00:28:39,510 again go check out his podcast and we're 668 00:28:42,770 --> 00:28:40,140 in the skies 669 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:42,780 check out Roswell mysteries decoded I 670 00:28:45,980 --> 00:28:45,210 hope you do more TV stuff because I 671 00:28:51,250 --> 00:28:45,990 thought you were true 672 00:28:55,310 --> 00:28:51,260 thank you um your natural so I would be 673 00:28:56,779 --> 00:28:55,320 hosting absolutely and I thought you 674 00:28:59,539 --> 00:28:56,789 managed to pack in so much information 675 00:29:02,269 --> 00:28:59,549 in those like 45 minutes so we tried 676 00:29:04,940 --> 00:29:02,279 yeah it that you avoided these sort of 677 00:29:06,110 --> 00:29:04,950 like tease it out tease it out kind of 678 00:29:09,049 --> 00:29:06,120 stuff that you see on a lot of these 679 00:29:11,899 --> 00:29:09,059 shows we wanted to inform new people of 680 00:29:13,639 --> 00:29:11,909 this but then bring something new 681 00:29:15,970 --> 00:29:13,649 forward otherwise what the hell's and 682 00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:15,980 not a lot of repetition which I 683 00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:18,510 appreciate it for sure so awesome man 684 00:29:22,279 --> 00:29:20,880 thank you good luck in your future 685 00:29:23,659 --> 00:29:22,289 endeavors won't be watching your work 686 00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:23,669 thank you very much awesome 687 00:29:27,049 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